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Ron Orovitz's avatar

Speaking for myself... early interest in rap (circa 1983) wasn't intermediated through the UK, but by living in a podunk racist town in northern Ohio (indeed, the rumors I'd heard that there had been a lynching back in the day were later confirmed with the google lynching map) and being just barely able to tune in a Cleveland R&B station... The impulse to break out was a purely domestic affair. Astonishingly, I actually picked up 12 inch extended mixes of Grand Master Flash "The Message" and Afrika Bambaataa "Planet Rock" at a nearby record store at the mall in Mansfield. The following year, I started college in Cincinnati. Most of my new friends in the dorm were Black, of light skin. Herbie Hancock's "Rockit" had many plays on the turntable amidst our haze of marijuana smoke, while I turned the guys on to New Order's "Blue Monday". Meanwhile, the much darker Blacks from Cleveland had hip-hop parties in their 10th floor dorm room, replete with dueling scratch turntables. It really was a mini-venue. I recall one girl there complimenting my black eye-liner, and suggesting I should powder my face like Kraftwerk.... But later, I heard that there were complaints about 'too many honkies!' All in all, however, I feel that race relations were better in the '80s than they are now.... There was that impulse on both sides to reach out and leave all of the historical shit behind us. What happened? Now it seems we must dredge up all of the historical shit and DWELL on it.

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Geoffrey G's avatar

I just wanted to say that I absolutely loved your Harper’s piece. I can relate to all of it, both the elegy for a time of art that’s passed, but also the disgust at the limitations of those who were so navel-gazingly swept up in it.

I’m not a Gen Xer, myself, but I share many Xer tendencies. If we insist upon generational identities, I’ll be even more precious and situate myself in that transitional “Elder Millennial” sub-set. The cohort that discovered TheFacebook.com in college fresh off its launch, but is confused that people can live their lives so mediated by the digital. Millennials of my vintage, at least, were still desperate to define ourselves via musical genre in the 1990s and to rail against the hegemony of the pop and the SNL, little knowing that there would never be such a “tyranny” of traditional media again and that tribes of genre would disappear almost entirely and maybe even be seen as quaint or even “problematic,” in retrospect.

We don’t seem to get this new world, either, with its enthusiasm for “selling out” and odd lack of irony or affected cultural snobbishness. One can start to feel like a real asshole for “not letting people just enjoy things.” And it takes some un-learning not to immediately sneer at anything, just because it’s popular.

But isn’t the Culture of Capitalism the worst!? No, it turns out that we’re the worst--for somehow thinking that what we were up to was any more authentic and world-historically meaningful. Or thinking that “alternative” or “indie” wasn’t just a marketing segment.

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